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Does it make any difference to God if we do good?
If it does not than He is an indifferent God, unworthy of worship.
If it does, than is this difference positive in nature or negative in nature?
If it is negative in nature, than He is evil, and therefore unworthy of worship.
If it is positive in nature than He is imperfect, since His finite creation is affecting His state, and He is therefore unworthy of worship.
I've thought along related lines in the last month or so. Here's a page from my Spiritual Journal:
This verse clearly shows the author's cosmology: that the Most High God did indeed create those who would promote 'evil'. Therefore, 'evil' (or, perhaps, 'entropy') serves as part of God's plan. No one today would want to say that about a merciful God. "Why would God send us awful, terrible things? If that is what God is, then I don't want to worship that God. I want a God that has and wants nothing to do with evil."
... He is an indifferent God, unworthy of worship.
What human can say what makes or could make God unworthy of worship? That is another form of putting human limits on a limitless entity/concept; it cannot be done. God cannot be circumscribed, either physically or conceptually.
That that is God is, can, and will be worshipped. This will happen whether God is deemed "worthy" or not.
Does it make any difference to God if we do good?
If it does not than He is an indifferent God, unworthy of worship.
If it does, than is this difference positive in nature or negative in nature?
If it is negative in nature, than He is evil, and therefore unworthy of worship.
If it is positive in nature than He is imperfect, since His finite creation is affecting His state, and He is therefore unworthy of worship.
I've thought along related lines in the last month or so. Here's a page from my Spiritual Journal:
See, it is I [the Lord] who created the blacksmith
who fans the coals into flame
and forges a weapon fit for its work.
And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc;...
Isaiah 54:16 (NIV)
This verse clearly shows the author's cosmology: that the Most High God did indeed create those who would promote 'evil'. Therefore, 'evil' (or, perhaps, 'entropy') serves as part of God's plan. No one today would want to say that about a merciful God. "Why would God send us awful, terrible things? If that is what God is, then I don't want to worship that God. I want a God that has and wants nothing to do with evil."
... He is an indifferent God, unworthy of worship.
What human can say what makes or could make God unworthy of worship? That is another form of putting human limits on a limitless entity/concept; it cannot be done. God cannot be circumscribed, either physically or conceptually.
That that is God is, can, and will be worshipped. This will happen whether God is deemed "worthy" or not.
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Re: On God.
Date: 2002-12-12 02:31 am (UTC)2.) "Christianity misses the mark by emphasizing the 'system' of good and evil, when it should (IMO) emphasize the choice that emerges out of the system."
1.) Correct, and I agree it is the limit of human perception. Good/Evil are concepts in which we have labeled along with them as right and wrong. We are labeling creatures as a whole. On a basic level, give it a name and you can have power over it. You can understand and hold something with a name. I use the term of good and evil as labels to dictate what I feel is right and wrong. or as I would say, "I try to live my life fully, with my Faith as an assistant for my choices. It helps guide my decisions to be the best ones I can make, given the situation.
2.) I agree, It seems often that the What someone did is emphasized when the why is ignored. And because of that, all to often, one gets stuck in the formality of the the rules/words of God, and not the spiritual meaning behind the reasons of said Rules/Words. Now my HO, The system of good and evil as outlined in Christianity was and is ment to be a guidline of how to be "good/moral" Not the dogmatic stipulation that it has become.
I rather like the fact that you point out, The Choice of right and wrong. I have always held onto a guidline that one is responsible for their actions regardless of situation. People tend to view this that see them as bad. that is not the point I am trying to make with that statement. It is simply that you had the choice to commit said action. There are always choices, it is your job to decide which is the best course of action given the situation. for example: If you drink get drunk and go out driving, you are responsible for anything that may happen based on you decision to get into said situation. Does that mean you are wrong/right/good/evil for doing so? no. The situation does dictate that. But not the act of driving drunk, in this case. If you wreck the car and hurt someone, you are accountable for your choice, and in this case, will face the consequences of such actions.
I think my views were greatly changed by my Mother when I was a child, having moved back for the last time at her house. We were talking about my dad, they were devorced, and what he has said about her to me. I mentioned my dad told me that
"she was going to hell, because she is commiting adultry cause the chuch never acknowledge or okayed their divorce."
Her response to the statement has stuck with me forever. And it is what I will forever hold as the strength a parent should have.
"If my going to hell, is going to get my children to Heaven, then I will go willingly."
Ryan