I see God and creation an interdependent (inasmuch as God is dependent on anything). I don't believe that God is restricted in any way when involved in the material universe (yes, I do subscribe to "miracles", that is, things that seemingly break the laws of logic); but I do believe that in essence God "waits" until we've made a choice. Think of a blinking cursor.
Yet, I also believe that one cannot deviate from the Tao. In a roughly deist sense, I could consider the concept of God's will as equivalent with the Tao. (Of course, what I'm saying doesn't reflect upon the true Tao.)
But if God has a will, why is it immutable even to God? That I don't understand.
I'd say that "God's will" and "God" are so intermeshed that the two things are really indistinguishable. In other words, "God" and "Tao" are largely two terms that are applied to pretty much the same thing; of course both descriptions are incomplete, because you really can't describe a system from inside a system, and when the system is All There Is, one realy can't get outside of it (Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, which I consider to be holy scripture). None of our models will ever be particularly complete, which is one reason why we have so many of them, I think. (Heck, this is why it's "we" instead of "I".)
We really must get coffee sometime one of these years. :)
But I guess a deep spiritual belief of mine is that one must choose God to understand the God within oneself. Until you ask/listen out for/repent (in the Greek sense, metanoia)/reaccess the Source, you will wander about totally unaware of your divinity. You are potential God rather than realized God.
Or so I'm rambling on to myself. But I base this on Old Testament statements about returning to the sound of God's voice. This is a huge tenet of my personal belief structure. I realize my beliefs are incredibly idiosyncratic.
I don't disagree with anything you just said... I think that the difference is in our respective denotations/connotations of "to choose".
It's all a matter of being exposed to the right data and efficiently processing it once you are; some folks are and some folks aren't, which I suppose amounts to a "choice" of a sort, at least from our limited perspective.
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Date: 2004-03-16 07:58 pm (UTC)Whatever, God doesn't really care what I think.
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Date: 2004-03-16 08:08 pm (UTC)If God is a choice (as I answered), does that mean that God chooses to be?
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Date: 2004-03-16 10:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-16 11:02 pm (UTC)I see God and creation an interdependent (inasmuch as God is dependent on anything). I don't believe that God is restricted in any way when involved in the material universe (yes, I do subscribe to "miracles", that is, things that seemingly break the laws of logic); but I do believe that in essence God "waits" until we've made a choice. Think of a blinking cursor.
Yet, I also believe that one cannot deviate from the Tao. In a roughly deist sense, I could consider the concept of God's will as equivalent with the Tao. (Of course, what I'm saying doesn't reflect upon the true Tao.)
But if God has a will, why is it immutable even to God? That I don't understand.
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Date: 2004-03-16 11:11 pm (UTC)We really must get coffee sometime one of these years. :)
I like coffee.
Date: 2004-03-16 11:22 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-16 08:50 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-16 10:35 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-16 10:39 pm (UTC)One cannot deny what one is part of, so yeah, "irresistable and undeniable" would cover it.
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Date: 2004-03-16 10:55 pm (UTC)But I guess a deep spiritual belief of mine is that one must choose God to understand the God within oneself. Until you ask/listen out for/repent (in the Greek sense, metanoia)/reaccess the Source, you will wander about totally unaware of your divinity. You are potential God rather than realized God.
Or so I'm rambling on to myself. But I base this on Old Testament statements about returning to the sound of God's voice. This is a huge tenet of my personal belief structure. I realize my beliefs are incredibly idiosyncratic.
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Date: 2004-03-16 11:02 pm (UTC)It's all a matter of being exposed to the right data and efficiently processing it once you are; some folks are and some folks aren't, which I suppose amounts to a "choice" of a sort, at least from our limited perspective.