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Democracy? I'm familiar with the idea, and I believe in the possibility of peaceful change. I'm a registered voter, and I participate in the political process. Geaux me.
Please re-read my original post. My complaint doesn't concern citizens who have problems with some of our government's policies; everyone disagrees with something that the government is doing. I have an issue with people who believe that the entire system is unsalvagably corrupt – people who use language like America is an oppressive fascist-imperialist Orwellian state with complete seriousness. If America's government is truly that bad, is reform a possibility?
Ask a Jew who survived the Holocaust if late-1930s Nazi Germany could have been reformed, or if a revolution against Hitler could have succeeded. My point: if the American government really is an unthinkably awful, oppressive, atrocity committing war machine...wouldn't it be better to move to a country with a more humane, agreeable government?
Or could it be that the people who call our government "fascist" have no idea of what a real authoritarian government would do to them? (How would Stalin, Mao, or Hitler handle the problem of dissent on the internet?)
(See it here.)
I have an issue with people who believe that the entire system is unsalvagably corrupt--people who use language like America is an oppressive fascist-imperialist Orwellian state with complete seriousness. If America's government is truly that bad, is reform a possibility?
This is a question that comes up repeatedly between my SO and myself. He feels it's time to just get the F out of town. He wants to move to Amsterdam, or Vancouver (places with a high rate of taxes, which is a signficant desire on his part as he is a tax-hating libertarian).
I, on the other hand, feel such a tie to my country that I feel I must try to reform it. And such reform must come from the inside out. These terrorists don't seem to understand that point. You fight from the outside, America grows a thicker skin. Even when you fight violently from within, like McVeigh, America gets shaken, yes, but clings ever more tenaciously to its outdated, outmoded, frankly Draconian ideals.
Only a peaceful movement from within can change "an oppressive-fascist Orwellian state". This I fervently believe.
Democracy? I'm familiar with the idea, and I believe in the possibility of peaceful change. I'm a registered voter, and I participate in the political process. Geaux me.
Please re-read my original post. My complaint doesn't concern citizens who have problems with some of our government's policies; everyone disagrees with something that the government is doing. I have an issue with people who believe that the entire system is unsalvagably corrupt – people who use language like America is an oppressive fascist-imperialist Orwellian state with complete seriousness. If America's government is truly that bad, is reform a possibility?
Ask a Jew who survived the Holocaust if late-1930s Nazi Germany could have been reformed, or if a revolution against Hitler could have succeeded. My point: if the American government really is an unthinkably awful, oppressive, atrocity committing war machine...wouldn't it be better to move to a country with a more humane, agreeable government?
Or could it be that the people who call our government "fascist" have no idea of what a real authoritarian government would do to them? (How would Stalin, Mao, or Hitler handle the problem of dissent on the internet?)
(See it here.)
I have an issue with people who believe that the entire system is unsalvagably corrupt--people who use language like America is an oppressive fascist-imperialist Orwellian state with complete seriousness. If America's government is truly that bad, is reform a possibility?
This is a question that comes up repeatedly between my SO and myself. He feels it's time to just get the F out of town. He wants to move to Amsterdam, or Vancouver (places with a high rate of taxes, which is a signficant desire on his part as he is a tax-hating libertarian).
I, on the other hand, feel such a tie to my country that I feel I must try to reform it. And such reform must come from the inside out. These terrorists don't seem to understand that point. You fight from the outside, America grows a thicker skin. Even when you fight violently from within, like McVeigh, America gets shaken, yes, but clings ever more tenaciously to its outdated, outmoded, frankly Draconian ideals.
Only a peaceful movement from within can change "an oppressive-fascist Orwellian state". This I fervently believe.
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Date: 2002-03-18 10:35 pm (UTC)And, frankly, we're not even there yet. I have to agree with the people who scoff when America is called a fascist state. Such people don't understand what would be happening to them for saying that if our society was a fascist state.
America is hardly perfect. But neither are the places your boyfriend mentioned: Look into the authanizing of the mentally ill, and the support of Asian terrorist organizations by the Canadian government...
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Date: 2002-03-22 07:06 am (UTC)That's a new one.. Where would i even start looking for something like that?