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Obama sweeps Democratic contests Saturday

(DailyKos reports that CNN's delegate counter includes superdelegates, which is disingenuous--superdelegates are "uncommitted" until the convention. I'd like a delegate count that reflects regular delegates only.)

Maine holds its contest today, Virginia tomorrow.

Edit: Ah, I found an article by The Guardian, a source I trust: "The final tally of delegates has still not been allocated after Super Tuesday. The 2008 Democratic Convention Watch website yesterday [Friday, Feb. 8] gave Clinton a total of 862 elected delegates to Obama's 883. But when super-delegates - the 700-plus members of Congress, governors and others who automatically have a vote at the conventions - are taken into account, she has 1,065 and Obama 996."

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Date: 2008-02-10 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
BTW, I'm quietly supporting Obama in every way possible. There are not many there I'd call 'good guys' but my gut tells me he's one of them.

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Date: 2008-02-10 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timiathan.livejournal.com
Me too.


And I hate the superdelegates. This is the first primary I've really payed attention to (I was hardcore Anybody But Bush in 2004, and apolitical in 2000) -- I'd say I can't believe how ass-backward the system is, if it wasn't exactly what you'd expect. It's beyond disingenuous for CNN to count superdelegates -- that's based on a survey. They might as well divvy up delegates according to the polls and say the whole election is over.

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Date: 2008-02-10 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timiathan.livejournal.com
btw, if you look at this page on CNN, they show the breakdown -- it's not like they're hiding it. But at this point they should be focusing on pledged delegates, with superdelegate surveys as an afterthought.

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Date: 2008-02-10 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] novapsyche.livejournal.com
Well, I was looking for updates on the results last night after midnight, and the only channel with results was CNN. Two problems: first was that they were running reruns from earlier in the evening on a loop, so the results were never really updated; second was that the delegate count at the bottom of the screen only showed the superdelegate-added count with no disclaimer as to how they were getting their numbers.

I think the folks in the media know that once it starts being reported that Obama has pulled away and that the Democratic race can no longer be described as a "deadlock" that people will stop tuning into their broadcasts.

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Date: 2008-02-10 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timiathan.livejournal.com
While I agree with you that a lot of people in the media want to drag the election cycle out as long as possible for a whole host of sleazy but uncorrupt reasons (ratings/money/laziness), I of course also think something more nefarious is going on.

Hillary Clinton is the candidate endorsed by the CFR. All of mainstream media is part of the CFR. That's why Ruppert Murdoch endorses Clinton, and that's why the coverage is intentionally skewed. The Clintons passed the Telecommunications Act of 1994, which was a bigger boon to the media conglomerates than anything a Republican has done. Obama is a wildcard, and I think the MSM is afraid of him.

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Date: 2008-02-10 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] novapsyche.livejournal.com
What is the CFR? (Forgive my ignorance.)

I've known for quite a while that Rupert Murdoch had endorsed Clinton, at least unofficially. It was through Fox News that Clinton was being hailed as "inevitable" months ago. Also, Clinton is still open to debating on the Fox Network (she is at the point in time still challenging Obama to do so, while declaring that she may never do another MSNBC debate due to the brouhaha earlier this week re: David Shuster).

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Date: 2008-02-10 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timiathan.livejournal.com
The Counsel on Foreign Relations. To understand the CFR, all you need to do is correlate these three data points:

1) The list of members, which is basically a list of anybody who's anybody: George Bush, Bill Clinton, Rupert Murdoch, George Soros, ABC, NBC, GE, Disney, Coke, JP Morgan Chase, every Rockefeller, George Will, Jessie Jackson, Angelina Jolie, Henry Kissenger, John McCain...you can really go on forever.

2) Their original mission statement: "to guide public opinion." (they've since changed "guide" to "inform").

3) This quote from David Rockefeller, whose basically the head of it all:

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents ... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

- David Rockefeller, "Memoirs" autobiography (2002, Random House publishers), page 405

The CFR is the oligarchy that really runs our country.

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Date: 2008-02-11 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thegreenyear.livejournal.com
try RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com), if you're not already there :)

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