what i want to know is wtf is wrong with people? way to overreact, the lot of them. when did mob mentality and violence ever become acceptable? people have awful lack of manners now. Ry knows it bothers me to go shopping because people are rude and it makes me cranky. But I've never considered actually giving someone a beatdown just for bumping me. I'm glad there were repercussions. There damn well should be.
I want to know what it means to "refuse to apologize."
I want to know the time lapse between first contact and last.
I want to know if this is a singular incident or if this is an indicator of a more widespread cultural problem. (I don't know if you heard about the teenaged girls who were arrested after being videotaped while beating up a girl from their school.)
Jesus. In honesty, the article is too short for me to have a straight response. I have some questions regarding the circumstances surrounding the situation.
But, "refuse to appologize"? I do feel that people have lost track of simple manners in our society. I do know from my experience, gang mentality and what an appology means to them. It often is more than just a simple "excuse me" or "I'm sorry", and often is needed to be a recognition of what they percieve as their superior status.
Depending on the wording used in the initial conflict could have attested to a stubborness on one side or the other.
Either way, an attack over this is completely uncalled for and I am disheartened to learn that only 1 is getting tried for it. I would have rather seen all of them get brought to justice for participating in the attack.
I guess I'm also disgusted that it doesn't seem like anyone did anything to break up the attack. But plenty of people saw the incident occur. When did it become acceptable to not help out someone in obvious need? If nothing else to restrain the people and avoid further damage being inflicted.
It often is more than just a simple "excuse me" or "I'm sorry", and often is needed to be a recognition of what they percieve as their superior status.
Funny how a 22-year-old woman is not normally going to recognize the superior status of a 10-year-old.
I guess I'm also disgusted that it doesn't seem like anyone did anything to break up the attack. But plenty of people saw the incident occur. When did it become acceptable to not help out someone in obvious need?
Very good point. Perhaps the attack was vicious enough that people were like, "Hmm, I don't want any piece of that...."
There's a reason that the phrase "when babies attack" strikes fear into the hearts of men.
Funny how a 22-year-old woman is not normally going to recognize the superior status of a 10-year-old.
I have/had the same problem. Generally I respect all people. Yet I don't see any "superiority status" of anyone who I percieve as rude to me. Especially if it is someone younger than me. Part of this is due to the rudeness percieved, but another has to do with my upbringing of respecting elders. Me being the elder in the mentioned scenario similiar case.
But I guess the difference would be that I'd appologize if I bumped or "crowded" someone at a place.
Perhaps the attack was vicious enough that people were like, "Hmm, I don't want any piece of that...." I would assume so. Its stuff like this though that is the direct result of the standards decline in the US. The fact that people didn't do anything, based on the article, reflects the drop in compassion for fellow humans and the apathy that we've accepted in our lives in the US. I'm getting off topic. Part of my issue with this situation as a whole, in regards to the people areound, is how no one is willing to risk themselves for the sake of another.
But I guess the difference would be that I'd appologize if I bumped or "crowded" someone at a place.
*nod* jennkitty has a point that cultural standards of courtesy are (or seem to be) going way down. Politeness was a trait that was instilled in me very early. Someone would have to be very hostile for me to withhold an "excuse me" or "I'm sorry."
Completely tangentially, I want to say that I think people are starting to forget how much space to give people. Generally, in the U.S., people expect six feet of space between them and anyone around them (a radius of three feet, that is). It's just how Americans subconsciously view personal space. It really irks me when I'm standing in the checkout line of a store and the person behind me is right behind me.
I might be reading into the story more than is there, but it sounds like a gang of girls was doing an initiation to me. The 10 year old started the conflict, she would be the one who was being initiated.
I do wonder why all of the girls were released. Chances are good that there will be security images taken, I'm sure Target monitors its stores closely.
Where the fuck was the store security? They're out in seconds when they see a shoplifter.
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Date: 2007-02-13 12:47 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-02-13 12:57 am (UTC)way to overreact, the lot of them. when did mob mentality and violence ever become acceptable?
people have awful lack of manners now. Ry knows it bothers me to go shopping because people are rude and it makes me cranky. But I've never considered actually giving someone a beatdown just for bumping me. I'm glad there were repercussions. There damn well should be.
What are your thoughts?
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Date: 2007-02-13 02:00 am (UTC)I want to know the time lapse between first contact and last.
I want to know if this is a singular incident or if this is an indicator of a more widespread cultural problem. (I don't know if you heard about the teenaged girls who were arrested after being videotaped while beating up a girl from their school.)
I have a lot of questions, all told.
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Date: 2007-02-13 02:51 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-02-13 12:57 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-02-13 10:14 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-02-13 03:52 pm (UTC)But, "refuse to appologize"? I do feel that people have lost track of simple manners in our society. I do know from my experience, gang mentality and what an appology means to them. It often is more than just a simple "excuse me" or "I'm sorry", and often is needed to be a recognition of what they percieve as their superior status.
Depending on the wording used in the initial conflict could have attested to a stubborness on one side or the other.
Either way, an attack over this is completely uncalled for and I am disheartened to learn that only 1 is getting tried for it. I would have rather seen all of them get brought to justice for participating in the attack.
I guess I'm also disgusted that it doesn't seem like anyone did anything to break up the attack. But plenty of people saw the incident occur. When did it become acceptable to not help out someone in obvious need? If nothing else to restrain the people and avoid further damage being inflicted.
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Date: 2007-02-13 10:17 pm (UTC)Funny how a 22-year-old woman is not normally going to recognize the superior status of a 10-year-old.
I guess I'm also disgusted that it doesn't seem like anyone did anything to break up the attack. But plenty of people saw the incident occur. When did it become acceptable to not help out someone in obvious need?
Very good point. Perhaps the attack was vicious enough that people were like, "Hmm, I don't want any piece of that...."
There's a reason that the phrase "when babies attack" strikes fear into the hearts of men.
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Date: 2007-02-13 11:00 pm (UTC)I have/had the same problem. Generally I respect all people. Yet I don't see any "superiority status" of anyone who I percieve as rude to me. Especially if it is someone younger than me. Part of this is due to the rudeness percieved, but another has to do with my upbringing of respecting elders. Me being the elder in the mentioned scenario similiar case.
But I guess the difference would be that I'd appologize if I bumped or "crowded" someone at a place.
I would assume so. Its stuff like this though that is the direct result of the standards decline in the US. The fact that people didn't do anything, based on the article, reflects the drop in compassion for fellow humans and the apathy that we've accepted in our lives in the US.
I'm getting off topic.
Part of my issue with this situation as a whole, in regards to the people areound, is how no one is willing to risk themselves for the sake of another.
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Date: 2007-02-13 11:09 pm (UTC)*nod*
Completely tangentially, I want to say that I think people are starting to forget how much space to give people. Generally, in the U.S., people expect six feet of space between them and anyone around them (a radius of three feet, that is). It's just how Americans subconsciously view personal space. It really irks me when I'm standing in the checkout line of a store and the person behind me is right behind me.
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Date: 2007-02-13 06:21 pm (UTC)I do wonder why all of the girls were released. Chances are good that there will be security images taken, I'm sure Target monitors its stores closely.
Where the fuck was the store security? They're out in seconds when they see a shoplifter.
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Date: 2007-02-13 10:20 pm (UTC)To me, the girl just sounds like she wasn't reared properly. But that could just be the 30-year-old in me talking.
Where the fuck was the store security? They're out in seconds when they see a shoplifter.
This is a really good point. The cynic in me has something to say, but I'm shutting her up.