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Date: 2008-06-05 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jdoggiedogg.livejournal.com
I'm trying to understand this. Today I overheard someone say, "This was supposed to be Hillary's year and the Barack came in and stole it from her." To me, that sounds like a professional wrestling plot line. Or maybe a soap opera. Wrastling and soaps attract large audiences, so apparently that's the mindset which has kept her candidacy alive.

Devil's Advocate

Date: 2008-06-05 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] take2thesky.livejournal.com
While I fully support Obama and am proud to call him the Democratic nominee, I do have to take a moment to view things from Clinton's perspective. I can only imagine how much emotional, spiritual, and psychological strength must be put into running for any political office, especially the leader of the free world. Couple that with a life long ambition and an unexpected loss of something that was supposedly within her grasp. Clinton, like any other candidate, is entitled to some time. There is a state of grief involved with the loss of such a HUGE aspiration especially when she got so close. She's going through some shit right now, I'm sure. It's so easy for us to minimize the effect such a loss has on a person since we are so removed from the human side of politics. She's reacting...she's stomping her foot...she's mourning. She will back Barack on Saturday, Barack will do whatever he's going to do regarding the VP slot regardless of pressure (if he is as independent of a thinker as people have dubbed him), and everyone will move forward.

Also, when it comes to moving Clinton voters over to Obama, she needs to be especially careful. Her "dialogue" with her voters about "where do we go from here" was probably an attempt to give THEM time to let it sink in as well. I mean, where else could she have gone? She knew it was over. She wasn't looking for someone to tell her to keep trying because that wasn't an option. There was no possible way she could win. Her failure to practice immediate surrender and endorsement of Obama was, in my opinion, political tactic to ease emotional swelling coupled with a severely bruised ego.

If she would have been defeated months ago by large margins, she probably would be coping with things a little more quickly as would her supporters.

And is she using her votes and clout as a bargaining tool for VP or another appointment? It makes me laugh when this question gets asked. Of course she is. Who in her position wouldn't? She has a political career like anyone else in the race and has a very good case for some sort of appointment. She nearly became the first female President of the United States. Why on earth wouldn't she try her damndest to become the first female Vice President? Is she going about it in the wrong way? Maybe. But that is her mistake to make.

Re: Devil's Advocate

Date: 2008-06-06 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] novapsyche.livejournal.com
I don't think she knew it was over. I think, as her circle of advisors grew smaller, her idea of reality was very altered from what people on the ground knew. Once she had lost eleven contests in a row, she should have known what to do. Her ambition, her ego, and her sense of entitlement clouded her judgment.

She could have dealt with this months ago. Instead she decided to put herself over the interests of the party.

If she would have been defeated months ago by large margins, she probably would be coping with things a little more quickly as would her supporters.

South Carolina: 55% to 27% (Edwards still in race)
Hawaii: 76% to 24%
Nebraska: 68% to 32%
Washington: 68% to 32%
Idaho: 75% to 25%
Virginia: 64% to 35%
Maryland: 61% to 35%
Washington, D.C.: 75% to 25%

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