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[novapsyche]

If one knows everything, what can one remember?

I do mean this in a spiritual context.

If God is omniscent, God knows everything. And God knows it at once, because God is omnipresent.

So what can God remember? To remember is to imply a past.

Comments

[the-leewit.livejournal.com]

Perhaps... how to process the data so that everything makes sense?

[bonerici.livejournal.com]

i know the song "let it be" by the beatles from front to back, each note, each instrument, each drum beat 100% memorized. But I'll still go put on the cd just to listen to it.

Memories are not just a temporal thing, they are a feeling. Perhaps god decides to remember something for a feeling of nostalgia, kicking back in his cosmic rocking chair going, "Ah, those first few days when I created the earth, those were the days. Making the fishes and the plants, until I spoiled it by making those awful human beings who keep putting words into my mouth, disgusting thing."

[brendand.livejournal.com]

I don't see how it follows that God knows everything at once, because God is omnipresent. Omnipresent means being everywhere at once. So maybe all knowledge is everywhere at one point in time, but not all the time. Maybe we missed that point in time.

[novapsyche.livejournal.com]

God stands outside of time. (Thus the eternal.)

[simianpower.livejournal.com]

There's a difference between data and knowledge.

[brendand.livejournal.com]

In any case, what makes you think that God doesn't know everything at every point in time? Wouldn't God remember everything?

[kittenkissies.livejournal.com]

Sounds a little limiting to put God on one time line...

[novapsyche.livejournal.com]

what makes you think that God doesn't know everything at every point in time?

This is exactly what I'm arguing.

Wouldn't God remember everything?

If one is full of knowledge of everything in every point in time, and if one stands outside of time (as the Eternal), then what is there to remember? There is no "past" in the eternal.

[novapsyche.livejournal.com]

See my answers above re: the Eternal.

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[magicmaiden.livejournal.com]

I hadn't thought of remember as implying a past for me, to remember more means to have released awareness.

I hadn't really considered the time element implications before..thank you.

So, if time is an illusion and now is the only reality...then there is no true need for anyone to "remember" anything....esp God.

[bonerici.livejournal.com]

one more thing. There are 4 dimensions in our space time continuum that are visible to us, width, height, length, and time. According to relativistic theory (but not quantuum theory -- combining the two is the main task of future physicists) all of space time is like your idea of god, all at once, static and forever. Pretend that instead of there being 4 dimensions there are 3, width, height, and time (skip length for now). The universe and everything in it is like a big loaf of bread. If you slice the bread the right way, you can trace the life-line of a person in this universe-bread.

But the universe itself, the past and future everything is completely pre-determined and mechanistic.

Ok, that's step one. Now image this entire loaf of bread, this universe, being dropped on the floor. Now there are two dimensions of time.

There is the eternal mechanistic entire universe loaf of bread time, and there is the movement of this entire universe of time, when it is being dropped on the floor. So there are 4 dimensions again, there are the familiar width, height, and time, and there is ANOTHER time dimension, which holds our entire universe as it moves.

So if we exist in the 4 dimensions of all space time, god might have yet another time dimension, so he can take his nth dimension finger and trace it through the universe looking and thinking of the universe he created.

One more thing. Current physics theory says that the universe has 11 dimensions. We can only see 4 of them, width, height, length and time.

Re: remember

[novapsyche.livejournal.com]

Yet Yeshua implored his followers to take communion in remembrance of Him. So I'm wondering about that, too.

[dionysus1999.livejournal.com]

I've heard its blasphemous to question God's powers. ;)

[novapsyche.livejournal.com]

According to the Bible, the only entity you cannot blaspheme against is the Holy Spirit.

[brendand.livejournal.com]

You should start citing these things. ;)

[brendand.livejournal.com]

Ahhhhhh. It's just phrased backwards, which is why I didn't get what you were getting at.

[novapsyche.livejournal.com]

I'm, like, at work and stuff.

[brendand.livejournal.com]

And that's ever stopped you from using LJ before?

And it's not like people you work with are opposed to God, with all the "Have a blessed day" going on.

Re: remember

[magicmaiden.livejournal.com]

Keep the faith?